So you finally get that new record you have been waiting for, carefully place it on the turntable and give it a listen. Its all just mind blowing and then just as soon as you reach the trance state the unthinkable happens, it skips. You quickly give it a clean, but no luck. So what do you do? Return it? Live with it? What? Is that just expected from time to time?
Hi Ken, before you condemn the record, do give your record deck a good going over. Is your tracking correctly set? Is your stylus worn? Is your weight balance correct? Is the record deck level? Is it a cheap, wafer thin american pressing? Lots of things can cause your record to skip. Yes, it is possible to buy an already defective vinyl; they represent perhaps 1% of the total pressing run. but in my experience, it is always a poorly set-up deck that is the problem.
If you are still unhappy with the record, I'm sure that the seller (on musicstack?) will be more than happy to help you out with this problem. Just ask....we're a pretty decent bunch of music loving people.
Originally Posted By Ken Dunn: So you finally get that new record you have been waiting for, carefully place it on the turntable and give it a listen. Its all just mind blowing and then just as soon as you reach the trance state the unthinkable happens, it skips. You quickly give it a clean, but no luck. So what do you do? Return it? Live with it? What? Is that just expected from time to time?
Ken, to be honest, I always personally inspect a record prior to putting it on my turntable, as any vinyl enthusiast may know, you never know what to expect with a record condition wise. Vinyl is unpredictable, and it is for this reason as to why you should always inspect ANY vinyl before giving it a spin! What you should also do is ask the seller in detail about how a record looks condition wise, prior to payment or sending it out......
When it comes to new/sealed vinyl, I have found flaws sometimes on vinyl too; mainly warps as opposed to scratches. Nonetheless, though, most record sellers are more than happy to open up sealed copies to investigate them before sending them out; all you have to do is ask.
In the end, if a seller cannot accommodate you, just take your business elsewhere, or be patient and wait until you see another copy of the same record later on and order it then!
The key to record collecting is to not only find the choice pieces for your collection in the best condition possible for the best prices, but you should also make it your goal to NOT back track, or wasting extra money on records when it could go elsewhere towards your next vinyl purchase. If a record is only $5-20.00, you should always strive to purchase nothing but the most near mint condition records, if at all possible, and avoid wasting your money on scratched pieces.
Sometimes too, when you purchase used vinyl, they might skip due to needing cleaning. I have found that when there is some kind of dirt clot stuck right in the groove, it is not going to get loose unless you clean it! Perhaps getting some sort of record vacuum/cleaner might be more on the order for this reason? Something to ponder on perhaps? I dunno?
I think mainly, as in the case of this record you speak of, you need to either inspect it, see if it needs cleaning, and if it does not, then next time ask many questions before you purchase anything. Finally, if you feel you cannot live with the defect and it annoys you, then sending it back is the final ultimate solution to this matter. Then again, that could just be stating the obvious of something you already knew to begin with anyway, right?
One final note: Check your stylus often Ken. All too often than not, with consistent use, styluses need changing, and yours could be worn. If you have any doubts, talk to your own local record dealer to see if they can inspect it for you if you are in doubt, and just see if it might need changing! You could be ruining your records than doing them any good, and you may not even know it! Recommended: Inspect your stylus at least once a month. Styluses, according to what Cosmo told me one time, might need changing once perhaps every 1-2 years, depending of course on how much a stylus is used under normal every day playing circumstances. Try to avoid playing scratched up records on a good stylus, as this certainly will not help at all! Finally, check your stylus and clean it with a stylus brush if it needs cleaning as well.........
As you can see, there are different varying possibilities to this issue Ken.........
Ken, to be honest, I always personally inspect a record prior to putting it on my turntable, as any vinyl enthusiast may know, you never know what to expect with a record condition wise. Vinyl is unpredictable, and it is for this reason as to why you should always inspect ANY vinyl before giving it a spin!
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I'm just curious, how do you inspect a vinyl record/the grooves prior to playing it, with an exceptionally extra strong magnifying glass or microscope?
I have purchased used, as well as some brandy new records that did not have a single visible mark on them, and despite all the factors of my turntable/equipment being set properly and being up to par, I still would sometimes unexpectedly experience a dreadful and annoying skip (or two).
Please let us all in on your secret and technique.
It could be your stylus, but not all of the time is my method of inspecting a record visually going to be up to par either, so one thing I can say Cosmo is that if it is in fact a manufacture's defect that is so microscopic within the groove so you cannot see it, then you may as well just send it back. Again though, I do think more times often than not, it is a cheap f****ed up stylus or one that is in dire need of replacing. Also, as I said earlier there could be things too perhaps that you cannot see within the groove that the vinyl might need cleaning, so it is not always anything you can see with a naked eye......
Unfortunately, much to my chagrin, it happens, as naked eye inspection is almost always NOT a surefire gig.......
Thanks for the replies. This was really a generic question, but this album was a 180 gram of Couldn't Stand the Weather by SRV. It wasn't cheap, nearly $30 new. My stylus is new and got just great reviews and my turntable is decent and I keep the tracking checked. I have had a couple others that skipped and the sellers were happy to exchange them, I was just wondering if I was expecting too much.
A few months back I ordered American IV by Johnny Cash and it had a skip, but loved the album. Acoustic Sounds was more than happy to exchange it so I returned it. As luck would have it I had returned the last copy that could be found anywhere, I have been waiting months and no one has it. I kick myself for not keeping it (not to mention the fact it sells for 10x what I paid for it now on ebay).
Skips can be problematic in the fact that sometimes they are not apparent to the naked eye! I would simply return it and in the future ask the seller prior to purchasing if the record has any scratches when playing.
I would simply say that if you have purchased a new record with a skip or any other defect, return it to the seller. A reputable seller will exchange it.
I don't know what anyone else thinks about the recent 180 gram "audiophile" records coming out but I've been disappointed with a few of them. Some have defects, others have surface noise. I would think that an audiophile record would be typically free of that. Back in the '70s and '80s when I bought true audiophile records for 3 times the cost of a "normal" record, they were totally free of any surface noise and defects.
I would simply say that if you have purchased a new record with a skip or any other defect, return it to the seller. A reputable seller will exchange it.
I don't know what anyone else thinks about the recent 180 gram "audiophile" records coming out but I've been disappointed with a few of them. Some have defects, others have surface noise. I would think that an audiophile record would be typically free of that. Back in the '70s and '80s when I bought true audiophile records for 3 times the cost of a "normal" record, they were totally free of any surface noise and defects.
Yeah, I am finding that the new heavy pressing don't live up to the hype, but I just couldn't get a NM copy of the original without paying through the nose. The original pressing are usually super nice if you can get one that was gently used and no surface noise, go figure. You would think that record company bean counters would wake up and see that people that buy vinyl don't steal music and would pay a fair price for great sound. I mean vinyl sales are going up while CD sales are in decline.
As I have said many times on numerous occasions here in Music Stack, honestly, I do not personally think that the way they press new vinyl has the same kind of work ethic from these people who work at the pressing plants today, as they did more than 20 years ago. Not all pressing plants have this issue in pressing new vinyl, but most of them do, or they just don't take the same amount of work, time or pride to press records the way they used to. Whatever the case, I still find that if you can avoid purchasing these so called new modern day pressings on 180 gram vinyl, and just stick to the original pressings, you would actually be a whole lot more better off with even those paper thin original 70's or 80's pressings than some of these over priced so-called audiophile pressings, where the difference isn't really that noticeable! Anyway, I too have personally found that classic older pressings are actually better quality wise than these new ones, as I have had less problems as a result........
My advise Ken? As I have always tried to tell you before, if you can avoid purchasing newer 180 gram reissues/pressings of records, do so at all costs! Save up your money and just try to stick with the original pressings. Sure, the vinyl may not always be the best quality, as they are much thinner, but I guarantee that if you purchase near mint original copies, you might just have less problems. To me, depending on where they are pressed, most new pressings are crap anyway, and I have received many warped! So, it is also very good to do your homework in researching where the record is pressed, but this too will also determine the quality or reputation that the pressing plant has in terms of how they take care of their quality control. Also, you can go into chat discussion forums by using the Google search engine, where they discuss these types of subjects, and this may help you to find out if the record you speak of has had issues with other individuals before you that have previously purchased it, and will either help you to avoid the pressing like the plague in the future, or once again, just purchase either sealed or near mint originals! I hope this helps you to save yourself from some disappointment Ken in the future........
I,m a dealer on this website with a unique collection of original, still sealed vinyl fromt he 70s and 80s. I'm sold over five hundred pieces of vinyl in the past six years and not one customer has ever complained about faults on the pressings. I've opened and enjoyed a few of my stock over the years and listened to them all; none of them suffered from any clicks, pops, hisses or skips. Perhaps vinyljunkie is right about vinyl from the "good old days" !!!
Its the same old story with everything these days ... the quality and quantity goes down while the prices go up, and the bottom line is that everyone is cutting corners to increase their profit margin, whether it be dining out at a restaurant, candy bars, etc.
In the "old days" when restaurant food portions were bigger and they did not skimp on ingredients it was more economical to dine out than eating in (and no clean up) ... and for a nickel or a dime you once got a larger candy bar than those skimpy thin things they now call large today. So why should vinyl record disc manufacturers and the record industry be any different? By reducing the grams and making vinyl records thinner, and/or by replacing/servicing disc cutters less often, etc., results in reduced production/manufacturing costs --- and multiplied by let's say a million discs you are talking a substantial savings! It has become the good old American way ... no perhaps the way of the world!
Originally Posted By Vinyl Junkie: As I have said many times on numerous occasions here in Music Stack, honestly, I do not personally think that the way they press new vinyl has the same kind of work ethic from these people who work at the pressing plants today, as they did more than 20 years ago. Not all pressing plants have this issue in pressing new vinyl, but most of them do, or they just don't take the same amount of work, time or pride to press records the way they used to. Whatever the case, I still find that if you can avoid purchasing these so called new modern day pressings on 180 gram vinyl, and just stick to the original pressings, you would actually be a whole lot more better off with even those paper thin original 70's or 80's pressings than some of these over priced so-called audiophile pressings, where the difference isn't really that noticeable! Anyway, I too have personally found that classic older pressings are actually better quality wise than these new ones, as I have had less problems as a result........
My advise Ken? As I have always tried to tell you before, if you can avoid purchasing newer 180 gram reissues/pressings of records, do so at all costs! Save up your money and just try to stick with the original pressings. Sure, the vinyl may not always be the best quality, as they are much thinner, but I guarantee that if you purchase near mint original copies, you might just have less problems. To me, depending on where they are pressed, most new pressings are crap anyway, and I have received many warped! So, it is also very good to do your homework in researching where the record is pressed, but this too will also determine the quality or reputation that the pressing plant has in terms of how they take care of their quality control. Also, you can go into chat discussion forums by using the Google search engine, where they discuss these types of subjects, and this may help you to find out if the record you speak of has had issues with other individuals before you that have previously purchased it, and will either help you to avoid the pressing like the plague in the future, or once again, just purchase either sealed or near mint originals! I hope this helps you to save yourself from some disappointment Ken in the future........
Well Ken, I don't know what used record shops you have in the area in which you live, but over here in California I feel I have been in the best position now more than ever to purchase used vinyl. Now, you mention that the record you have had a hard time trying to find for a decent price on an original pressing was Stevie Ray Vaughn's "Couldn't Stand The Weather". Well, I would hate to know who you see that charges such rip off prices for such a common record, as I picked up an ORIGINAL German first pressing of this same exact record up in Sacramento, CA. for only $6.00 USED! No joke! My copy is so pristine with no scuffs or scratches from a previous owner that knew what they were doing to take care of it, I can actually see my reflection on the black shininess of the surface of the record! I think you might want to travel a little more and see if you can find some other alternative record shops that are more known for just trying to move their product, as opposed to $$dollar signs$$. Again, too, just because a record is a used copy, doesn't necessarily make it bad. No, rather, what this basically means is that you may have to take a little more time, and to be patient searching for that beloved piece for your record collection
If you are patient, if ye seek ye shall find..........
In regards to receiving warped records --- Some of what I am about to say comes via some investigation, and some comes via experience by having once worked in a shipping/receiving department for nearly 20 years.
Sure, there's no question that vinyl records these days (especially re-issues) are being manufactured thinner and like crap, but I don't believe that on-line sellers are shipping warped records, or that they are warped when leaving record plants.
I believe that most of the warping is occurring during shipping when in transit. Quite often boxes of records shipped from record plants, or seller's parcels can sit for many hours and/or days inside a very hot truck, tractor trailer, UPS/USPS vehicle, or in the sun on some loading dock, while in route before reaching its destination -- and heat as you know is murder on vinyl. Having been in, and having loaded/unloaded enough trucks/tractor trailers in my time, I can tell you that they are often hot enough inside to almost fry an egg! With that kind of heat in some of the vehicles I believe that even some of the more thicker vinyl records would stand a good chance of also becoming warped.
In addition to heat there is also a factor regarding truck loading and shipping/loading dock workers. There are some loading dock workers who don't possess enough brains to fill a thimble, whether they be commercial trucking companies or UPS/USPS dock workers! I cannot tell you how many times I have seen smaller/fragile type boxes arrive in trucks packed/loaded beneath much larger and heavier boxes packed on top of them ... the result of brainless loading dock workers. Unbelievably, but true, despite the smaller boxes beneath being untorn or visibly crushed, the excess weight exerting down upon it was enough impact the contents in some way! However, slightly in their defense, because dock workers on an average must generally handle/load/move thousands of boxes/shipments during the course of their work shift, proper truck loading is hardly foremost on their minds.
So, between the effects of damaging truck heat or poor truck loading, or a combination of both, I believe that is what may be causing/contributing to the problem of warped records ... and the fact that the vinyl is thinner makes them all the more vulnerable to what I have described. During the cooler fall/winter months heat obviously becomes less problematic, but there still is the poor truck loading factor which can still have some bearing and impact on vinyl shipments.
As an ex shipping/receiving department worker, just my two cents worth.
In regards to receiving warped records --- Some of what I am about to say comes via some investigation, and some comes via experience by having once worked in a shipping/receiving department for nearly 20 years.
Sure, there's no question that vinyl records these days (especially re-issues) are being manufactured thinner and like crap, but I don't believe that on-line sellers are shipping warped records, or that they are warped when leaving record plants.
I believe that most of the warping is occurring during shipping when in transit. Quite often boxes of records shipped from record plants, or seller's parcels can sit for many hours and/or days inside a very hot truck, tractor trailer, UPS/USPS vehicle, or in the sun on some loading dock, while in route before reaching its destination -- and heat as you know is murder on vinyl. Having been in, and having loaded/unloaded enough trucks/tractor trailers in my time, I can tell you that they are often hot enough inside to almost fry an egg! With that kind of heat in some of the vehicles I believe that even some of the more thicker vinyl records would stand a good chance of also becoming warped.
In addition to heat there is also a factor regarding truck loading and shipping/loading dock workers. There are some loading dock workers who don't possess enough brains to fill a thimble, whether they be commercial trucking companies or UPS/USPS dock workers! I cannot tell you how many times I have seen smaller/fragile type boxes arrive in trucks packed/loaded beneath much larger and heavier boxes packed on top of them ... the result of brainless loading dock workers. Unbelievably, but true, despite the smaller boxes beneath being untorn or visibly crushed, the excess weight exerting down upon it was enough impact the contents in some way! However, slightly in their defense, because dock workers on an average must generally handle/load/move thousands of boxes/shipments during the course of their work shift, proper truck loading is hardly foremost on their minds.
So, between the effects of damaging truck heat or poor truck loading, or a combination of both, I believe that is what may be causing/contributing to the problem of warped records ... and the fact that the vinyl is thinner makes them all the more vulnerable to what I have described. During the cooler fall/winter months heat obviously becomes less problematic, but there still is the poor truck loading factor which can still have some bearing and impact on vinyl shipments.
As an ex shipping/receiving department worker, just my two cents worth.
True Cosmo, but too, on the flip side of the coin, there are also 3 other reasons to go along with what you are saying that are probable causes of this issue as well. Sometimes IT IS the carelessness of manufacturing from the record pressing plants that can still be primary culprits:
1). From what I understand, not all, but SOME record pressing plants will actually put the vinyl inside the sleeve jackets while still warm, fresh off the presses, not allowing the records cooling time prior to the shrink wrapping stage, then the records are shrink wrapped so damn tight that it can cause the records to warp!
2). Sometimes the quality control is not monitored when the records come off the presses properly, when they should be trashed, but yet some records have been known to be packaged and sold for retail with issues of edge warp on the vinyl.
3). The final thing that I have heard too, is that the way the vinyl is packed by the pressing plant doesn't help the transit process either. First off, packing the records close knit in the box isn't a bad idea, but what makes it not so good is that instead of packing the records vertically, they package them stacked all on top of one another, whilst in the process of this, most of the new records are getting warped more or less towards the bottom of the box!
I think in all of this Cosmo, we both raise up some good points, and I am not saying that there isn't still some decent pressing plants out there, however, there are many today that couldn't care less about the quality of the product they send out, and it is for this reason why I honestly do think that thee majority of this problem lies in today's manner of how things are supervised concerning quality control.
As a side note: Almost all vinyl is pressed nowadays on 150-200 gram vinyl, although this has not resolved the issue of quality control. Sad to say, even some of the shittiest of 70's RCA pressings have much better quality in terms of craftsmanship than many of today's so-called 180 gram pressings. Once again, I am not saying that this is the case with all record pressing plants, but with many of them it is the case. If truth be told though, some of the best pressing plants TODAY are actually located in either Europe or Asia, quite notably England, Germany or Japan, and many records are being pressed from overseas who are American record labels because of the deserved reputation of quality overseas. That in itself should tell you there is an issue here in the U.S. with some of our plants........
Originally Posted By Vinyl Junkie: Well Ken, I don't know what used record shops you have in the area in which you live, but over here in California I feel I have been in the best position now more than ever to purchase used vinyl. Now, you mention that the record you have had a hard time trying to find for a decent price on an original pressing was Stevie Ray Vaughn's "Couldn't Stand The Weather". Well, I would hate to know who you see that charges such rip off prices for such a common record, as I picked up an ORIGINAL German first pressing of this same exact record up in Sacramento, CA. for only $6.00 USED! No joke! My copy is so pristine with no scuffs or scratches from a previous owner that knew what they were doing to take care of it, I can actually see my reflection on the black shininess of the surface of the record! I think you might want to travel a little more and see if you can find some other alternative record shops that are more known for just trying to move their product, as opposed to $$dollar signs$$. Again, too, just because a record is a used copy, doesn't necessarily make it bad. No, rather, what this basically means is that you may have to take a little more time, and to be patient searching for that beloved piece for your record collection
If you are patient, if ye seek ye shall find..........
I live in the sticks, no record stores anywhere near here. Its great for my other passion (I ride off road motorcycles), but if you need anything that is not carried by Wal Mart or Lowes it ain't happening.
Comment #1 is quite plausible, but I would think that if the vinyl were still warm when packaged chances are that the vinyl would possess a certain amount of stickiness or tackiness which would cause the inner paper (or plastic) sleeve to adhere to the record. I personally cannot recall ever purchasing a record in which the inner sleeve was stuck to the record.
I can definitely agree with comment #2 in that many US employees are "clock watchers" waiting for their shift to end so that they can punch out and go home. And if/when they are not busy watching the clock they are busy and hard at work on their cell phones talking or texting friends or loved ones instead of concentrating on their work duties catching defective records.
I believe mispunched/off-center holes and misaligned discs resulting in off-center record grooves account for a good percentage of record defects which slip through the cracks and get missed by quality control personnel. The majority of my warped records came about by my own stupidity by storing them improperly or placing them too close to a heat source.
Comment #3 goes back to what I previously said about some brainless loading dock workers --- It does not matter how well the records were packed at the record plant if dock workers/shipping personnel are mishandling the shipping cartons and/or loading the shipping cartons improperly on trucks. If the cartons are being loaded onto trucks on their sides or upside down it does not matter how well packaged the records are. I previously neglected to mention how many times I've seen those arrows on boxes designating "This Side Up" pointing downwards or sideways! That certainly does not help or do the contents inside the box much good!
In your last paragraph I would agree that some other countries do notably produce/manufacture some better quality merchandise than the US ... records being one of them. Then there are also some countries who give us some real first class crappola that I wouldn't give you the right time of day for!
The US population seem to live a more fast-paced life and hurried existence than those in some other countries ... getting things out the door and a rush-to-market seems to be the American way ... and coupled with employees who are on piecework who are more concerned with quantity than quality to supplement their paychecks does not help matters and only further compounds the problem of "faulty" merchandise which is then in turn missed by "asleep at the wheel" quality control personnel.
As you said VJ, any of these theories or possibilities merit well. I still have a gut feeling that "flaws" in the shipping process may be a good part of the warpage problem.
Oh yes,I rekon the biggest rip-off in the music industry was when we had those bloody CD hoisted on us as the way forward from bad old vinyl. The vinyl we paid for was twelve inches in diameter, sandwiched between two bits of cardboard thirteen inches square, had lots of photos of the band, their lyrics and sometimes even a booklet inside. They charged exactly the same money for the CDs but with barely a fraction of the content of a vinyl album....their profit margins must have been hugh on Cds compared to their vinyl costs.
And now they're whinging about how unprofitable the music business is.....
Comment #1 is quite plausible, but I would think that if the vinyl were still warm when packaged chances are that the vinyl would possess a certain amount of stickiness or tackiness which would cause the inner paper (or plastic) sleeve to adhere to the record. I personally cannot recall ever purchasing a record in which the inner sleeve was stuck to the record.
I can definitely agree with comment #2 in that many US employees are "clock watchers" waiting for their shift to end so that they can punch out and go home. And if/when they are not busy watching the clock they are busy and hard at work on their cell phones talking or texting friends or loved ones instead of concentrating on their work duties catching defective records.
I believe mispunched/off-center holes and misaligned discs resulting in off-center record grooves account for a good percentage of record defects which slip through the cracks and get missed by quality control personnel. The majority of my warped records came about by my own stupidity by storing them improperly or placing them too close to a heat source.
Comment #3 goes back to what I previously said about some brainless loading dock workers --- It does not matter how well the records were packed at the record plant if dock workers/shipping personnel are mishandling the shipping cartons and/or loading the shipping cartons improperly on trucks. If the cartons are being loaded onto trucks on their sides or upside down it does not matter how well packaged the records are. I previously neglected to mention how many times I've seen those arrows on boxes designating "This Side Up" pointing downwards or sideways! That certainly does not help or do the contents inside the box much good!
In your last paragraph I would agree that some other countries do notably produce/manufacture some better quality merchandise than the US ... records being one of them. Then there are also some countries who give us some real first class crappola that I wouldn't give you the right time of day for!
The US population seem to live a more fast-paced life and hurried existence than those in some other countries ... getting things out the door and a rush-to-market seems to be the American way ... and coupled with employees who are on piecework who are more concerned with quantity than quality to supplement their paychecks does not help matters and only further compounds the problem of "faulty" merchandise which is then in turn missed by "asleep at the wheel" quality control personnel.
As you said VJ, any of these theories or possibilities merit well. I still have a gut feeling that "flaws" in the shipping process may be a good part of the warpage problem.
Well Cosmo, in regards to your comments, I do personally think in order to gain quality for your quantity, like anything else in life, if the record pressing plants would take more time to get things right, we wouldn't have all of these issues that we have now concerning defective vinyl. True, I do believe that a lot of it can come from the carelessness of the shipping and handling departments, but, at the same time, I also believe if a child isn't trained properly, part of the time, the parents can usually take the blame most of the time. Well, it is the same with the record pressing plants, I think that a lot of it pretty much starts at home right where it all began, and although not all of the time, part of the time I do believe it starts with the record pressing plants. With a total lack of supervision, it seems as if they need to be monitored or watched like a hawk to ensure they are doing their job, or perhaps they need to be trained better. Perhaps it is a generational thing too, where the people who run these plants are actually being ran by people who are under 40 that may also not share the same work ethic of those who once did from another different time and generation from over 30-40 years ago? Who knows, right? What I do know is that you should definitely investigate what company a record label is pressing their vinyl at, and pretty much make a well informed decision as to whether you want to purchase the record or not.
In the end, there is a world of info out there that if you were to just Google it, these days, you can almost about as much information on something that you want..........
Originally Posted By delboy: Oh yes,I rekon the biggest rip-off in the music industry was when we had those bloody CD hoisted on us as the way forward from bad old vinyl. The vinyl we paid for was twelve inches in diameter, sandwiched between two bits of cardboard thirteen inches square, had lots of photos of the band, their lyrics and sometimes even a booklet inside. They charged exactly the same money for the CDs but with barely a fraction of the content of a vinyl album....their profit margins must have been hugh on Cds compared to their vinyl costs.
And now they're whinging about how unprofitable the music business is.....
Yeah, I think the record companies are reaping what they sow. They screwed over customers and artists for years.
Trouble is Ken, the record executives never lose money on their artists releases. It's the artists that get squeezed on their salary. I remember a Republication Mantra when there was a big down turn in the amerian economy in the mid 80s.
"We gotta look after the shareholders interests".......as in damn the customer, damn the staff, damn the little people. Well, they've achieved that.
Originally Posted By delboy: Trouble is Ken, the record executives never lose money on their artists releases. It's the artists that get squeezed on their salary. I remember a Republication Mantra when there was a big down turn in the amerian economy in the mid 80s.
"We gotta look after the shareholders interests".......as in damn the customer, damn the staff, damn the little people. Well, they've achieved that.
Have you ever watched George Carlin preach about the owners of this country. Search the video site and watch it.
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