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  Bootlegs !

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Dejan Dozic
11 posts
7.5 years
I hope to the man in the sky I will never encounter a seller with Bootleg compilations anymore. There was such a seller here but he got banned for selling bootleg stuff on the internet. IF the CD isn't legally made I can get caught for playing bootlegs on the radio. Some of the producers have gone through the steps of making it legal (it shows on the pricetag).

However to buy a 12" Compilation of the best songs of an artist for 12$ it is actually too cheap and the record companies would loose money if they sold all the best songs on ONE single CD.

They nowadays put it as bonus tracks that goes along with the released album.

Please beware of bootleggers and if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Please think before you buy the record. Check out the Records EAN/UPC Code, if the CD is legit. If it has not that on the CD. It is probably a very wellmade bootleg.
Sometimes it looks right but on a quicker look it is false and has no copyright registered in the company name of the CD.

STOP THE BOOTLEGs !
So the record companies might re-release gems from the past again on CD.

Thank you for reading.

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Alan Williams
Alwills
United Kingdom

511 posts
9.9 years
12997 items

   
I think you are confusing bootlegs with pirates/counterfeits.

There are completely different.

Counterfeit - a direct copy of an officially released item (ie. rare album, single with the same artwork etc)

Pirate - a complilation of officially released material usually with unique artwork

Bootleg - usually a live recording, out-takes etc





Thank you.

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Dejan Dozic
11 posts
7.5 years
   
Maybe I confuse things there is a possibility.

You forgot to tell me what you call a CD made without copying any other original release.
Namely tracks compilation not released at all previously but totally custom made content.

There is one on Amazon a Coldplay compilation on two CD's. I have been in contact with the distributor
of Coldplay products. And they haven't licenced nor released a compilation by Coldplay.

It looks legit but it isn't.

Then there is those 12 inch compilations from Prosonic Records with 12" released compilations with
tracks taken from 12" vinyls remastered and then neatly and "professionally" packed into a "legal"
packed CD. But after beeing in contact with RIAA, ifpi and Record distributors of the label licencing departments. It was UNKNOWN of any licence given to any country of Argentina nor Brazil for giving them the legal right for releasing these CDs.

Now what are these CDs ? Counterfeits - YES Bootlegs - YES
It ticks the both cathegories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleg_recording in the second section third paragraph you can read the following under section "Definitions"

and I quote:
"Bootlegs should not be confused with counterfeit or pirated recordings, which are merely unauthorised duplicates of officially released recordings, often attempting to resemble the official product as close as possible. Some record companies have considered that any record issued outside of their control, and for which they do not receive payment, to be a counterfeit, which includes bootlegs. However, some bootleggers are keen to stress that the markets for bootleg and counterfeit recordings are different, and a typical consumer for a bootleg will have bought most or all of that artist's official releases anyway."
/Dejan

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Alan Williams
Alwills
United Kingdom

511 posts
9.9 years
12997 items

   
Dejan,

The Coldplay CD you refer to is a pirate, although it may be legal in certain parts of the world. For example there are quite a few South Korean CD's which compile an artists officially released tracks onto a unique CD. Totally legit and highly collectable.

Regards

Alan

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Dejan Dozic
11 posts
7.5 years
   
Hi Alan,

Sory for not replying to you on my last reply by name.

Pirate is by no means legal. It cannot be both Pirate and legal at the same time.
It is legal in Korea or Russia. But when I buy it and I get it in Sweden it is automatically considered as a pirate CD. Therfor even if it available for purchase, by simply buying it, I cannot MAKE it legal.

OFF TOPIC:
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This has become a problem with licenced CDs. CDs & DVDs on Amazon.com is sometimes NOT possible for me to buy to Sweden. And the bugger is the licence issues. I have crossed path with this numerous of times. I think Amazon.com is the only one who has implemented this feature. If there are more then I don't know.

Sorry for strayin' from the subject but it takes this licence bugger up to the surface of the problems with the distribution issues of music all around the world.

One of the biggest and annoying distributor of music around the world is Universal Music.

SOMEWHAT ON TOPIC:
==================
I think the reason for Bootlegs, counterfiets and pirated CDs is the lack of access to purchase the CDs and the availability of CDs. For the few copies available on the market you need a big fat account to get it. If the record companies would open their ears and listen to people how much they would like to get a copy of the CD in their record collections.

I know there is double jeopardy for the record companies.
If they release the CD - it will spread on the internet as ISO-files or like mp3z.
If they DON'T release the CD - the bootleggers will release their own "edition" on sale on e***.

I am looking for a LEGAL copy of "Widows - Hollywood Rain" for less then 150 Euro (196 US $)
At least for about 1/10th of the price. THAT is impossible.

Do I STAY legal and buy it for a fortune or do I take "alternative solutions" ?
I prefer the third option...

namely to get it re-released on CD so I can buy with a clear conscience.

PS. I hope I didn't open "Pandoras Box" on this. DS

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brian
977 posts
3.2 years
   

well...

this topic is a big wide open thing.. many people have different views..

personally i dont care if i buy a cd or vynil bootleg..as i know what im buying

and its good then thats fine.. so i guess i wont say more about it than that

if others have different views just dont buy the bootleg or pirate.. nobodys forcing you to...

i guess its like tv if you dont like whats on you change the chanel.

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Dejan Dozic
11 posts
7.5 years
   
Well Brian...

Well said and it swiftly sums up the topic for me. :)

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brian
977 posts
3.2 years
   
Quote:
Originally Posted By Dejan Dozic:
Well Brian...

Well said and it swiftly sums up the topic for me. :)


Thanks Dejan,

its actually a choice its like anything pirate satellite tv, and so on

its up to the person to decide should he or she want to buy illegal tv transmisson

or not, just like bootlegs.. if you look at the big picture some people are fine

with a copied version of a rare album..and some whish to by the original whatever the cost,

an example is pink floyds divsion bell the u.s. blue vynil offical pressing is over 1 hundred

dollars.. a fake black vynl pressing with exactly the same cover and sound just that its a fake

is only about 30 dollars..you buy what ever is for you the buyer., i guess its like anything

in the world its for you to choose,

Brian.

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Dejan Dozic
11 posts
7.5 years
   
Quote:
Originally Posted By brian:


...if you look at the big picture some people are fine

with a copied version of a rare album..and some whish to by the original whatever the cost,

an example is pink floyds divsion bell the u.s. blue vynil offical pressing is over 1 hundred

dollars.. a fake black vynl pressing with exactly the same cover and sound just that its a fake

is only about 30 dollars..you buy what ever is for you the buyer., i guess its like anything

in the world its for you to choose,

Brian.


Hi Brian !

Well again Brian you nailed the issues 100% !

Sometimes I also stumble on those Pirated CDs from Russia. Amongst them I got Travelling Wilburs
special edition with DVD, LIVE CD & and collection CD with bonus 12" versions in a very professionally made edition. I can't get one like that one elsewhere. It is something for my private pleasure.

I can even go so far to call you my forgotten cousin :) hehehe.
We seem to think the same even if I didn't show it at first. But once I read your input. I recalled
the time I didn't give a [*bumper*] what people thought of me getting those Black Wax vinyls with
medleys made by some nobody in Finland. Which was real good mixes.

Even the ABBA mix I played back then when Benny Andersson (from ABBA )called me on my live show in Svedala, Sweden (before Chess even premiered) and wondered what I was playing.

Well I told him it is a mix with 8 of your songs longer then 1 min so you will get 8 times more for these 10 minutes then what you would get for a single song. He and I both laughed and I wondered if I could put him on live which he did. Well the rest is history...

Well that was the good old days when I was REALLY active. Now I hope to get my Rock-station goin' by Christmas or few weeks before Christmas. No worries it is a 24/7 kind of station and I won't spam about it in here.

Brian ! It was a REAL pleasure switching words with you. :) I hope we can do it again. Take Care ;)

Take care Brian and all the crew and members of the Epic webshop in the entire WORLD - MusicStack !

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brian
977 posts
3.2 years
   
Thanks dejan..

well i can add that i wanted to buy a metallica japan cd collection box

and im sure it was a Bootleg.. as russia does so does China.. real good look a

like cds.. but after reading other people that bought the collection i was not suprized

to read stories of people receiving the goods damaged,cheap packaging..some of the cds

would not even play..they were poorly made copies with great looking cases just like the

real deal..but i cancelled my order right after reading all that..

for me im more intrested in bootlegs in the old black vynil format..concerts long gone by..

groups like bruce springsteen,kiss,pink floyd... it didnt matter if the sound was not

that good quality..it was the thrill of hearing the concert as it was performed..no overdubs..

nothing cutout.. actually they used to play those bootlegs on the fm radio stations all the

time.. supposed radio promo copy...but it doesnt take a genius to figure out its a bootleg

or non authorized lp, King Buscuit Flower Hour used to broadcast tons of live shows every

week on the radio..im wondering if they were acutally legit in broadcasting those.. as also

any one could copy it onto a cassette tape.. that was the good old days..now its mp3s and mp4s

of concerts or copied stuff.. like i said it doesnt matter what it is out there it will always

be available from copied cds, to fake nike running shoes,to fake gucci handbags..theres so much

of it out there..but theres a golden oldie of a saying.. you get what you pay for..if its super

cheap in price or if it sounds too good to be true usually it isnt., right ?.

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blizzot
2 posts
12 months
   
I logged into this site and saw the title of this topic and was excited to see what everyone said. Then Coldplay was mentioned. I quickly lost interest in anything that anyone had to say. Please write back and explain to me why Coldplay is mentioned on a music website. They are pure garbage. I literally would rather listen to a weedeater.

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brian
977 posts
3.2 years
   
Quote:
Originally Posted By blizzot:
I logged into this site and saw the title of this topic and was excited to see what everyone said. Then Coldplay was mentioned. I quickly lost interest in anything that anyone had to say. Please write back and explain to me why Coldplay is mentioned on a music website. They are pure garbage. I literally would rather listen to a weedeater.


actually I find them quite boring also..

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Vinyl Junkie
1200 posts
2.3 years
   
Parachutes by Cold Play was a decent album because at that time they still had a sort of an indie aesthetic, but the rest of their output after the second album "A Rush of Blood to the Head " was pure commercial mainstream crap! Sorry Cold Play fans, but your band has little substance nowadays!

In the end, crap is all what you make it out to be. A lot of people are fans of these modern Nu Metal bands like Linkin Park, Disturbed or Korn. To be quite frank, I think those bands are total garbage! I wonder how in the hell such bands like those even got signed to a major record company, especially given the fact that there are so many more better Metal bands than what the radio has on offer!Sad to say, the record industry has honestly been at a default for almost close to 17 years now this year, and it shows barely any signs of improving either.

In my honest to God opinion, music has not actually been that good on the radio since about roughly 1996! Does anyone else agree? There have always been down times in the music industry, but to be truthfully honest, this is the most lengthiest down time that the music industry has ever experienced when it comes to a lack of any great music being exposed on the radio.

V J

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blizzot
2 posts
12 months
   
I can count the number of good songs written since 1996 on two hands.

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Vinyl Junkie
1200 posts
2.3 years
   
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brian
977 posts
3.2 years
   
yep i agree with you VJ...

i guess those bands got signed because there was a young crowd following them and
there was dough to be made by the record companies even radio head bores me ,i used to
like oasis but 2 cds after whats the story..the Crud years came in.. same with cold play..
not bad in the begining..but i lost my intrest soon after Korn sucks pretty bad..that was
a fad.. but bands like linkin and disturbed cater to 19 year olds..

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