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  Best Doors Album?

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onestepbackwards
1111 posts
2.8 years
I don't usually like asking which album is the best that bands do because they usually all shine for different reasons, but in this case I will make an exception.....Please tell me overall which album of the Doors you the best and why?

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Cosmo M
846 posts
3.2 years
I was never really a huge Doors fan, so pretty much of what I like by the Doors is contained on any of their Best Of ..., or Greatest Hits albums. But if I had to choose any one single album I suppose it would be their first album, for no other reason that I just like all the songs on it.
To me, the Doors music was like a bottle of scotch, one has to acquire a taste for it, and though I have tried to ingest both I never could acquire that taste for either.

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onestepbackwards
1111 posts
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I personally liked their second effort if only because that Light My Fire song got totally over played. The second effort was a interesting album. The opening song drew you in and songs like Moonlight Mile and Love Me Two Times, You're Lost Little Girl and the rambling When The Music's Over is a very powerful song in my opinion for the time it was made.....

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Cosmo M
846 posts
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Yes I suppose I could get into their second album as well onestep.

For some strange reason that I just cannot put my finger on I began disliking the Doors less and less with each subsequent album. My guess would be because the overall sound of the band never seemed to change. The keyboard always seemed to sound the same, as did the sound of the guitar and drums in most of their songs.

Whereas in most other bands the keyboardist will usually change the keyboard's sound settings, and/or the guitarist will either switch guitar brands or play through some type of special effects pedal in various songs, and sometimes the drums would receive some special effects. But that rarely seemed to happen with the Doors, their overall sound for the most part always seemed to remain constant and the same from song to song.

In a number of songs that I would listen to I would often think to myself, this song would have sounded better if the keyboard was richer and less flutey-sounding ... or this song would have been awesome if the guitar was played using a 12-string.

For the most part I found the Doors sound just a bit too mundane and drab, almost to the point of being monotonous for my taste. In addition, many of their album "fillers" were a bit too off-the-wall or strange for my liking. In breaking it down to a percentage, I would say that I liked about 50% to 60% of the Doors material.

In choosing my least favorite Doors song it would have to be "The End". I find that to be such a seemingly never-ending morose and morbid-sounding song that just seems to go on and on and on!

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Vinyl Junkie
1200 posts
2.3 years
The best Doors album, you might ask? Personally, I like them all, but the worst one of their career in my opinion would have to be Soft Parade from 1969. On Soft Parade, I do commend the Doors for experimenting with orchestral arrangements and jazz, although the finished product was just a mess that didn't quite gel too greatly. With that said, if I had to pick what I would regard as being the best Doors albums, it would beyond a doubt have to be that classic first self titled album, the artistic success of which they were never able musically to repeat again throughout their 4 year/6 album career. My other pick, hands down, would have to be the L.A. Woman album. L.A. Woman was the only other album that was just as consistent musically as their first album.

Being that I am a Doors fan and did have a hard time trying to pick favorite albums, last year I purchased the Doors vinyl box. Other albums like Strange Days, Waiting For The Sun and Morrison Hotel have too far many highlights to be completely dismissed. The vinyl box was well worth every penny. It also comes with a mono pressing of the first album and sounds remarkably beefier with more bass and punch. Then, even nicer, the set I picked up also came with 45 rpm single radio edit version of "Light My Fire", stereo on one side, mono on the other!

Now, if I were to recommend Doors albums to a new comer to the band, here is the running order of how I would recommend the albums, from best to worst:

1). The Doors-s/t (1967)
2). L.A. Woman (1971)
3). Strange Days (1967)
4). Morrison Hotel (1970)
5). Waiting For The Sun (1968)
6). The Soft Parade (1969)

V J

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Cosmo M
846 posts
3.2 years
@VJ

You are a tough man to figure out and to get inside of your head. Seeing as how your obsession is collecting/listening to indie label rock, which many of the one-hit/album and "garage-type-bands" were notorious for recording on, I would have thought that the Doors' style/music/sound would be such a departure and opposite from that indie rock which seems to gyrate your hormones and that the Doors would be one of the last bands in the world that you would be a fan of.
You are like a good Agatha Christie murder mystery, full of plot twist and turns and surprises along the way!

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Vinyl Junkie
1200 posts
2.3 years
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Originally Posted By Cosmo M:
@VJ

You are a tough man to figure out and to get inside of your head. Seeing as how your obsession is collecting/listening to indie label rock, which many of the one-hit/album and "garage-type-bands" were notorious for recording on, I would have thought that the Doors' style/music/sound would be such a departure and opposite from that indie rock which seems to gyrate your hormones and that the Doors would be one of the last bands in the world that you would be a fan of.
You are like a good Agatha Christie murder mystery, full of plot twist and turns and surprises along the way!


@Cosmo

There is no mystery Cosmo. I am just as much of a fan of underground rockabilly, garage, punk, new wave, psychedelia, prog, alternative, indie, hard rock and metal, as I am into country & blues before 1955 and very little jazz. I am also into classic rock too, and whether the Doors classify as classic rock or psychedelia, I really like that band. As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for this music, we wouldn't have half of the music we have today. Bands like the Doors were pioneers and innovators of their own sound, being rather the rule than the exception.

Psychedelia, hard rock and indie underground music will always be my first musical love's and the Doors music is NO exception! Another thing that should be said too Cosmo in response to your comment, is that I also like bands like the Doors because the way major record companies operated back then is not the same as they operate to day. Bands or artitsts that got signed to record labels had more style, originality or panache than they do today. Unlike today's bands who will be here today gone tomorrow, just to make record companies money, bands like the Doors will be remembered tomorrow. The Doors, unlike today's bands have an identity and major record companies also used to sign individual, more unique talent to their labels back then, whereas today, finding unique raw talent is far and between like a needle in a hay stack! For new modern rock music, I do in fact seek out stuff on indie record labels, because new rock on the radio today, as we have agreed on numerous occasions, does suck!

V J

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onestepbackwards
1111 posts
2.8 years
Perhaps one of the best Door's songs in my opinion is one that I really like called "Unknown Soldier" What a powerful song! The film of them doing a live version features the American flag on the floor where the band is standing and includes the area of their drum set also. A very interesting look!

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Cosmo M
846 posts
3.2 years
Bands like the Doors were pioneers and innovators of their own sound, being rather the rule than the exception.


@VJ

You and I are usually on the same page and generally agree and share the same opinion on many topics here on the forum, but in this case I'm afraid that I will have to beg to differ. Sure the Doors were a unique band and had their own sound. They may have been pioneers of their own sound and style of music, but I hardly think that the flood gates opened or there was an onslaught of Doors sound-a-likes spewing out of the woodwork because of them and their music.

Quite frankly I think what made the Doors so famous/notorious, what typically comes to mind and what most people tend to remember, and what one automatically associates with the Doors is Jim Morrison and his maniacal and unpredictable stage antics ... like pulling out his pecker, flipping off/insulting audiences, inciting riots, etc., which is pretty much documented. Even his own band members were petrified of him and would shit bricks being on stage with him, calling him a time bomb ... never knowing when or what would set him off.

I think it is reasonable to say that "Morrison's madness" and presence is every bit responsible and a factor as their music for the Doors' popularity, notoriety and remembrance. Whenever I hear anyone mention "The Doors" the name Jim Morrison immediately pops into my head and comes to mind, as opposed to their music or any one particular song.

Well to coin your phrase, this was my two cents worth. By the way, like onestep, one of my favorite Doors tunes is also Unknown Soldier.

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Vinyl Junkie
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Originally Posted By Cosmo M:
Bands like the Doors were pioneers and innovators of their own sound, being rather the rule than the exception.


@VJ

You and I are usually on the same page and generally agree and share the same opinion on many topics here on the forum, but in this case I'm afraid that I will have to beg to differ. Sure the Doors were a unique band and had their own sound. They may have been pioneers of their own sound and style of music, but I hardly think that the flood gates opened or there was an onslaught of Doors sound-a-likes spewing out of the woodwork because of them and their music.

Quite frankly I think what made the Doors so famous/notorious, what typically comes to mind and what most people tend to remember, and what one automatically associates with the Doors is Jim Morrison and his maniacal and unpredictable stage antics ... like pulling out his pecker, flipping off/insulting audiences, inciting riots, etc., which is pretty much documented. Even his own band members were petrified of him and would shit bricks being on stage with him, calling him a time bomb ... never knowing when or what would set him off.

I think it is reasonable to say that "Morrison's madness" and presence is every bit responsible and a factor as their music for the Doors' popularity, notoriety and remembrance. Whenever I hear anyone mention "The Doors" the name Jim Morrison immediately pops into my head and comes to mind, as opposed to their music or any one particular song.

Well to coin your phrase, this was my two cents worth. By the way, like onestep, one of my favorite Doors tunes is also Unknown Soldier.


@Cosmo

So, you really don't think that the Doors ever had an impact on the late 60's garage and psychedelic underground indie scene?

Well, sorry Cosmo, I beg to differ with you on that point. As I said before, if I can't prove anything, then why try to argue any point you can't prove unless there is an argument, right?

Well, I have You Tube links of three bands down below from the late 60's and early 70's, proving the notion wrong, that the Doors as a band never made an impact on anyone musically. However, most of the bands who were inspired by The Doors style were mainly underground. True, you don't quite hear any strands of the Doors inspiration running throughout today's modern rock music. What the Doors did do is not only help re-write the rules of rebellion, but they also re-wrote what was also acceptable in music, lyrics and stage performances. To this day, you can see those rules being broken with onstage antics and vulgarity with much of today's rock artists. I firmly do believe that the Doors brand of acid rock not only paved the way for hard rock and heavy metal, but it also would pave the way for the prevailing punk attitudes of the late 70's. The Doors also musically broke down the barriers of what was acceptable, showing that blues, rock and jazz of a more different flavor could co-exist with each other. Finally, they helped to break the rules of what was acceptable in a 2 minute song pop format, showing that it was okay to create a song that was not only over two minutes in length, but it could also be radio friendly too, but yet still appeal to the underground masses.

Many people always seem to pay too much detailed attention to Jim Morrison's onstage antics, and not enough to the talent he not only possessed to write abstract poetry, but also his lyrics too which were creatively abstract.

This first you tube clip you will hear is from a band down in the state of Texas called the Crystal Chandelier, who put out just this one 45 rpm of psychedelic acid rock madness that couldn't have vocally and musically been inspired by anyone else but ours truly, Jim Morrison!

This one is from 1967.......

Here is a clip from the Crystal Chandelier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1qyfrIdJV0

Now the next clip is from a band named Fraction who just put out one album entitled, Moon Blood, who was both musically and vocally inspired by the Doors and Morrison's vocals as well. Fraction was from the L.A. area, and only released this album themselves privately as a limited edition issue of 200 copies, giving it out to friends and family at gigs. Thank god this hideously rare album has been re-issued on vinyl by Phoenix records to bring this sought after classic from 1971 to a much wider appreciative audience.

Here is a clip from the Fraction, "Moon Blood", album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeQ0V-z8R2w

And finally, this last clip is a band from England called High Tide, who also had an uncanny vocal sound to that of Morrison, whilst the music on the other hand, may not really be directly inspired at all by the Doors.

Here is a You Tube clip of High Tide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcPSVF5wfGk&feature=related

The point is that even if these bands were not consciously trying to emulate the Doors, the inspiration or imprint that was left on these bands were beyond a doubt inescapable. Obviously, it is clear that at one point in time, the Doors inspiration must have really made some impact, not too much unlike the Beatles at some point. There may have been a lot of Beatles emulators than the Doors, but there were still those that were just as fanatical about the Beatles as they were the Doors.

That is my 2 cents...............

V J

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Cosmo M
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@VJ

I see what you mean, but I did not say that there were no bands out there emulating the Doors, or that no other bands were impacted, inspired, or did not pick up a little something from them and apply it to their music/sound. I just don't feel that the Doors' were directly responsible for all the "road paving" that you claim and give them credit for.

I've heard these same exact claims before on the forum about other bands being responsible for jazz/blues/rock blend paving ... and I'm sure sometime in the future some other band will will make a forum thread, and whether it be you or some other poster, will again be making the same exact claims about that band as well.

Insofar as paving the way for what is acceptable on stage/recordings ... stage antics, stage/recording vulgarity, crude/rude behavior has been going on long before the Doors' arrival on the scene, and when Jim Morrison was still a lad playing on his backyard swing set.

Just because Doors keyboardist Ray Manzarek had a blues and Eastern classical style of playing which is evident in the Doors' dominant keyboards, I would necessarily call that revolutionizing music ... it was simply just something different. Just like when George Harrison learned to play the sitar and added it to several Beatles tunes ... one certainly would not say that he revolutionized music, it was just considered hearing something different that was not typically heard before -- especially by the Beatles.

I still think that the Doors were an OK band, and that a contributing factor of their popularity and the hoopla was mostly generated and due to "Morrison mania" who was basically the main attraction and the Doors' driving force.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. I do not dislike the Doors, I just don't feel that they were the greatest thing to ever happen to music. One thing does seem clear though ... we agree to disagree .. and that's fine.




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Vinyl Junkie
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Originally Posted By Cosmo M:
@VJ

I see what you mean, but I did not say that there were no bands out there emulating the Doors, or that no other bands were impacted, inspired, or did not pick up a little something from them and apply it to their music/sound. I just don't feel that the Doors' were directly responsible for all the "road paving" that you claim and give them credit for.

I've heard these same exact claims before on the forum about other bands being responsible for jazz/blues/rock blend paving ... and I'm sure sometime in the future some other band will will make a forum thread, and whether it be you or some other poster, will again be making the same exact claims about that band as well.

Insofar as paving the way for what is acceptable on stage/recordings ... stage antics, stage/recording vulgarity, crude/rude behavior has been going on long before the Doors' arrival on the scene, and when Jim Morrison was still a lad playing on his backyard swing set.

Just because Doors keyboardist Ray Manzarek had a blues and Eastern classical style of playing which is evident in the Doors' dominant keyboards, I would necessarily call that revolutionizing music ... it was simply just something different. Just like when George Harrison learned to play the sitar and added it to several Beatles tunes ... one certainly would not say that he revolutionized music, it was just considered hearing something different that was not typically heard before -- especially by the Beatles.

I still think that the Doors were an OK band, and that a contributing factor of their popularity and the hoopla was mostly generated and due to "Morrison mania" who was basically the main attraction and the Doors' driving force.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. I do not dislike the Doors, I just don't feel that they were the greatest thing to ever happen to music. One thing does seem clear though ... we agree to disagree .. and that's fine.




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@Cosmo

I am not going to go out on a limb to say that the Doors music really revolutionized everything about rock and roll, but I will say that what the Doors were doing for their time was beyond a doubt phenomenal, regardless if it was revolutionary or not. With their combination of blues, jazz, middle eastern and rock music blended together, the Doors still created a style of originality that no band has ever attempted to really re-create today or since then, regardless of any inspiration on emulators of their style. For what the Doors did do was unique and quite original and what they did do, they did it well.

I am actually very well aware of vulgarity and profanity in the musical performing arts, prior to rock and roll. There was a sub-genre of blues back in the 1920's as what many record collectors of 78 rpm's called copulation blues. In fact, one of the first recorded songs to have use of the word F**k in a song was by an artist named Eddy Duchin called Old Man Mose from 1938. Here is the You Tube for that song in case you're interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbDKNHMDrEU.

Now, as far as what the Doors did in terms of inspiration regarding vulgarity was more related to his onstage antics in that regard. I couldn't picture anyone before Jim Morrison pulling off such onstage musical performance antics in the way he did. Now, I am sure there were acts in the performing arts who did certain things that would raise a controversial eyebrow, but the fact of the matter is, Jim Morrison took it one step beyond what anyone before him would have ever considered before his time. Nobody I can think of would have ever considered doing anything remotely close to what he did onstage, especially when he encouraged his audience to participate in violent sexual interaction! The fact of the matter is, the Doors opened up the possibilities that it was in fact okay to expose himself onstage and invite his audience to join him for violent sexual orgies. Today, this is just something that is common place.......

The fact of the matter is, regardless if you think less of the Doors and Jim Morrison as a great band of musicians with an amazing vocalist, as opposed to the onstage or offstage antics of Jim Morrison, that's not the main point here. Even if the Doors never made the same type of impact as most artists did of their time, they still did break down barriers in music and live performances of many bands that would follow long after their disbandment. Apparently, proof of this would be prevalent that when "Light My Fire" was released, the record company had to edit the song down to a radio friendly 3 minutes or so. It seems as if public radio wasn't exactly ready to play any kind of progressive music going past the 2 minute mark. The Doors were not just one of the first bands to break those barriers, but they could have very well been the first to do this on radio. Later on, FM radio stations would start to pick up the full length versions of songs like "Light My Fire" and start playing them, no questions asked, which is something we don't even consider today.

Were the Doors one of the first bands to mix jazz, blues and middle eastern music into a rock based fusion? Who knows? The fact of the matter is though, they most certainly did it in a way that was never done prior to their existence. Part of it I feel was due to the mind expansive possibilities of LSD, and the other I feel was a quest to just create something unique and original in approach to rock music that had never been applied in the manner of how the Doors did it.

What about the Beatles? Sure, George Harrison playing sitar you could probably dismiss into thinking as not being a big deal, but the fact of the matter is, in all of the research that I have done on psychedelic rock and otherwise, you would be hard pressed to find any other bands from the 60's before the Beatles who would have ever thought to delve into learning how to play sitar, let alone applying it to rock! Think about it. In the 1950's, that would have been unheard of!

One final thing..........

Even if the impact that a lot of these bands made in the 60's may have went astray in their paths of inspiration, doesn't necessarily meant they will be forgotten either. Classic bands who created timeless music will continue to live on, long after much of the music today dies out.

In that sense perhaps the Doors are a revolutionary phenomena, especially if they are still selling records today, long after their past due date!

I'd like to see Frank Sinatra or Pat Boone pull that one off? Even the Monkees are still remembered more today than those crooners! LOL

I must say though Cosmo that this is funny! This is quite possibly the first time where we have not been able to disagree and now are having a cordial friendly debate about it. I could just imagine myself right now sitting around a back yard of your house somewhere shooting the shit and having a couple of beers with this debate.........

How cool is that?

V J

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John Bailes
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Quote from VJ:
"The fact of the matter is, the Doors opened up the possibilities that it was in fact okay to expose himself onstage and invite his audience to join him for violent sexual orgies. Today, this is just something that is common place....... "

I suppose I must not get out very often. :-)

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Cosmo M
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The fact of the matter is, the Doors opened up the possibilities that it was in fact okay to expose himself onstage and invite his audience to join him for violent sexual orgies. Today, this is just something that is common place.......


So is that what they've been doing on the West Coast? I'll have to get my ass back to California for a visit and partake in some of those nudie rock concerts! I feel somewhat jilted and deprived here on the East Coast!

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Vinyl Junkie
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Originally Posted By Cosmo M:
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The fact of the matter is, the Doors opened up the possibilities that it was in fact okay to expose himself onstage and invite his audience to join him for violent sexual orgies. Today, this is just something that is common place.......


So is that what they've been doing on the West Coast? I'll have to get my ass back to California for a visit and partake in some of those nudie rock concerts! I feel somewhat jilted and deprived here on the East Coast!


Just to clarify my quoted statement from my end, what I am basically trying to say is that the Doors were one of the first of many bands who would be trendsetters for future things to come in the world of punk rock, hardcore, alternative and modern indie music, escalating it to much more sexual and violent interactive proportions.

For example, it wasn't too uncommon for Henry Rollins from Black Flag to instigate both verbal conflicts and violent rage fueled fights on and off stage. The Red Hot Chilli Peppers were most probably the first alternative rock band to perform entirely nude in front of a full audience. Singer, GG Allin, would not only engage his audience into rage fueled fights, but he would also defecate and share his urine with his audience onstage, ensuring that if you had a pile of crap thrown in your face, you were definitely his self respecting fan!

No, seriously, when I say that the Doors paved the way for future things to come, what I mean is things have progressively gotten worse. Most of the time when these performances are heard of, it is usually with underground bands who play in underground clubs and not major venues. However, there are some exceptional characters who were honest to god assholes to the commercialized wing in music, and Axl Rose from Guns And Roses is one such prime example who loved to engage in fights with his fans. Did anyone recall when recently Lady GaGa came out in a live public appearance with no clothing, but was wearing beef on her body from a cow?

In the mainstream, acts of interactive violence and sexual misconduct are less prevalent, but in the underground you will much more worse things happen that you don't always know or hear about because it is not exactly concerning bands who are very popular bands who are in the forefront of the commercial music scene..........

I think you catch my drift?

V J

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Cosmo M
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I don't know VJ, maybe I'm looking at things in the wrong light and in a different perspective. But if the stage antics that you described is what the Doors set the foundation and paved the way for, which other acts/bands/performers have been taking them to elevated and outrageous limits, I don't feel nor believe that is a very prestigious honor that the Doors or their fans should be especially proud of! I certainly would not feel honored or privileged to have had such a gross and insidious "honor" placed on and credited to me! The world is presently filled with enough crap and loonies, so if that is what the Doors paved the way for, then shame on them!

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Vinyl Junkie
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I don't know VJ, maybe I'm looking at things in the wrong light and in a different perspective. But if the stage antics that you described is what the Doors set the foundation and paved the way for, which other acts/bands/performers have been taking them to elevated and outrageous limits, I don't feel nor believe that is a very prestigious honor that the Doors or their fans should be especially proud of! I certainly would not feel honored or privileged to have had such a gross and insidious "honor" placed on and credited to me! The world is presently filled with enough crap and loonies, so if that is what the Doors paved the way for, then shame on them!


Well, I cannot hold Mr. Jim Morrison completely responsible for the escalation of violence and sexual misconduct that came after him. After all, he wasn't exactly equipped with full access to his thinking faculties at the time and was either drunk or on drugs half of the time onstage to begin with. Most artists that came after the Doors purposely knew what they were doing, and they most certainly were aiming for shock value as to be the No.1 priority during their stage performances. To me, it was bands like the Stooges and MC5 that would take violence and sexuality to a whole different level, that honestly surpassed anything Jim Morrison would have ever pulled off before those later bands. Iggy Pop and the Stooges could be seen as the next logical extension of wherever the Doors left off, whether it be in the case of the Doors, by accident or not........

As a side note.....

It was never honestly proven after 40 some odd years after the fact that when Jim Morrison was on stage he ever actually pulled his pecker out for all to see. After many years of doubt as to whether or not Morrison was guilty, the case was actually dismissed without ever having any proof or substantial evidence of what in fact did go on, and was ruled in Morrison's favor that in fact he never did pull his lizard to see. However, as far as the profanity and the requesting of the audience to engage in sexual misconduct are concerned, he did in fact participate in such acts, but yet, again, was never nude once during the time he ever performed onstage.

Now, finally, when analyzing the Doors as artists of a band, you can either not accept the behavior Jim Morrison engaged in and respect the contributions they made to music as an art, or you can hate both the music and Morrison's onstage antics involved. In fact, on a positive note, let's just reflect on the contributions that both Jim Morrison and the Doors made to music as an art and some of the wonderful songs they contributed to pop music of the 20th. century.

In the end, we can sit here and reflect on all of the controversial conduct of Morrison, but why, when we are left with such wonderful music to remember by one of the greatest rock and roll bands of the 1960's?

I don't know about what you guys think, but that is exactly the way I would like to remember the Doors. The wonderful music they contributed to us and not all of the bad memories of questionable conduct as I mentioned already here more than once. Time is a healer, and hopefully time will mend all of the mistakes Jim Morrison made in his life. And again, what are we left with? The music..........

Enjoy!

V J

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Interesting discussion! But getting back to the original question, I've always felt that it was unusual that the best two Doors albums were the first and last (not counting the two post-JM LPs). I have all their records but find I generally only play 'The Doors' and 'L.A. Woman'. This is unusual because most bands either start off brilliantly and tail off (ABC, Stranglers for example), or start off tentatively and build up (Fourmyula, Beatles), or are consistent right through (Church, Wire). But the Doors started brilliantly, then (in my opinion), got a little boring for four albums, then finished brilliantly with 'L.A. Woman'.

VJ - interested to note that you also put the first and last albums in first and second place on your list.

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onestepbackwards
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Okay first of all Jim Morrison in my opinion is one of the best singers that the world of rock has ever seen. Also unlike a lot of bands you could not take your eyes off him because he actually gave you a performance while singing his songs. Good bad, or indifferent it was something that you had to watch! As far as their music goes no one else sounded like them and they made some pretty powerful music. They may not have changed music, but the band left their mark on that era of music. A stunning amount of work in seven years.

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onestepbackwards
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In my opinion what saves LA Woman is that song and Riders On The Storm holy crap what a song! A few of the other songs on there could have been better. Just my opinion, but the two other songs are just so good the others have a hard time living up to them.....

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Cosmo M
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With all due respect Onestep, I will concede and say that the Doors were a pretty good band. But to say that Jim Morrison is one of the best singers that the world of rock has ever seen is pushing it a bit by any stretch of the imagination. That's a pretty powerful and tall statement.

Let us not forget nor dismiss some of the other exceptional rock lead singers just from and around the Doors era, not counting others subsequent to the Doors, such as Ian Gillian, Steven Tyler, Robert Plant, Roger Daltry, Steve Perry, even Mick Jagger, whom I do not consider a particularly exceptional singer, but his voice and drive is a marriage made in heaven and does fit perfectly with the Stone's sound and music! There are others, but these are just a few which come to mind who are also giants and who have done their respective bands and the world of rock music justice.

Granted, Morrison could lay down some stirring vocals on a number of the Doors' songs, and he definitely was a good front man, whose showmanship, though often insane and scary, provided concert-goers a most-entertaining time for their money, to say the least. But as far as laying claim to him being the world's best rock singer is a pretty big pair of shoes to fill with so much other exceptional talent out there -- before, during, and after the Doors' run!

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Vinyl Junkie
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I totally agree with you Cosmo. Jim Morrison may have been a great powerhouse as vocalist, but to say he was one of the best is quite a hefty title to carry by any stretch! Just think about not just all of the bands that came after the Doors, but also too, think about all of the underground bands who possessed singers who were just as equally powerful, if not more than that of Jim Morrison! However, I must say that without Jim Morrison's vocals applied to the Doors vision of their music, I feel that it definitely could have never been the same! Proof of this would be when the Doors try to go on their own after Jim Morrison's death and two failed albums, with Ray Manzarek on lead vocals, having absolutely no success! Those two post Morrison albums most certainly take the cake as being not only the worst musically in their career, but also the worst in terms of vocal performance wise! It was at that point when it was no surprise they decided to call it quits permanently once and for all! With Morrison's lyrical vision and distinctive lead vocals, the band were totally left to their own thinking faculties, not knowing what to do and the results were downright awful!

V J

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